We did not put floor drains under the showers when we built our new building 20 years ago. In the old building the drains would dry out and sewer gas would back-up into the rooms.

 

Joe C

Joseph M Crockett | Department of Chemistry 

A. Leroy and Wanda H. Baker Professor of Science, Professor of Chemistry

American Chemical Society - Committee on Chemical Safety

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We were not allowed to have floor drains at my previous employer because that would allow contaminated water to enter the sewer system.  The intent was to collect the water and properly dispose of it rather than have it go down the drain.

 

Nickie Norton

Research Chemist

The Shepherd Chemical Company

4900 Beech Street

Norwood, OH  45212

nnorton**At_Symbol_Here**shepchem.com

513-842-9332

 

 

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of GOODE, SCOTT
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All in, here. I will be happy to describe why I fought my administration against installing floor drains under all safety showers in our new instructional facility.

 

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Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry

University of South Carolina

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Debbie

 

I second that motion 

 

There have been a number of people who are in the process of building new labs. I personally wish I had know some of the points made before our new building went up.

 

How about Lab design with Safety in Mind.

 

The second topic that has been of great interest to be is the confluence of ADA and safety. There was discussion of  service dogs . I have worked with hearing impaired students who could not hear auditory alarms and have asked that we also have visual alarms in place. 

 

Pam

 

Pamela Auburn, PhD

2041 Branard

Houston TX 77098

 

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I think that's a great suggestion and a good fit for Orlando.  I'd be happy to collaborate on a symposium on this topic.

 

Debbie

 

Debbie M. Decker, CCHO, ACS Fellow

Past Chair, Division of Chemical Health and Safety

Councilor and Programming Co-Chair

University of California, Davis

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that proceeds smoothly under normal conditions,

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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Wilhelm, Monique
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There are always so many questions about safety showers and eye washes.  I think that we need to have a symposium on themÉ.I will have to remember this for Orlando

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Van Scoy
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:07 PM
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Melissa,

Push for the drains!  Show the cost over time of having testing performed at the recommended frequency without them vs. having them.  My experience has shown when the drains were removed due to initial installation costs (proposed as "value engineering"), it wasn't too long after that they were screaming about the frequency of performing flushing/testing.  If memory serves, I provided a CDC reference about the eye-damaging bacteria that reproduce in stagnant pipes with the presence of chlorine.  The architects and accountants were not available later to justify or defend their "value engineering" decisions, but the initial construction cost did save a few dollars.  My recommendation is to push for the drains or define accountability standards to apply later, e.g., is installation cost v. recovery in 1-yr or 5-yr?

BruceV   

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Suzanne Howard
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Hi Melissa,

We are in the process of designing a new science bldg and was told that we can't have drains for the safety showers and the eyewashes.  Our architects state the reason is that the size of the drains would have to be very large.....?  They also indicate that the cost for plumbing is too great.  Have not yet decided if EHS should push for drains or not, or, if it is even possible. 

Suzanne

 

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Suzanne Howard

Director EHS

Wellesley College

300 Central Street

Wellesley, MA

781-283-3882

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Melissa Anderson <mwanderson08**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

 

We're working with architects right now to plan out chem labs for a new science building. We've asked for drains under the safety showers and were told that wouldn't be possible because in order to be ADA compliant and have drains, the safety showers would take up too much space- has anyone encountered such an argument? 

 

(Note, we're extremely constrained on space due to some very complicated politics I won't go into here, so making the labs bigger is not an option.)

 

Thanks,

Melissa Anderson

Instructor

Pasadena City College

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