From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 17:55:57 -0400
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Oh my.  That is a wonderful post!  I have been a vegetarian since 1960 because I don't believe in killing what you don't need to kill.


But if I could get close enough, I would rip this little sucker's heart out with my bare hands. 

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062
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From: Dan Blunk <blunk**At_Symbol_Here**UCSC.EDU>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Mon, May 14, 2018 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?

Monona,

I suspect you would now miss the company of your four-legged friend, should you succeed in terminating it's existence. 

Providing you are prepared for the loss, I have a few suggestions. 

Based on the info provided, I suspect the mouse has learned to avoid recognized traps. It likely won't matter what bait is used, the bait won't overcome the trap avoidance. 

Nice don't free-drink water. They obtain water from the food they eat. Based on what it prefers to eat, I suspect the mouse is craving water. 

I'd be willing to bet a fresh apple slice would provide a scent and the moisture to be an effective attractant. But not for a trap the mouse knows to avoid. 

I recommend that you borrow or obtain a small live trap. The trap needs to be small to ensure the mouse can't escape the trap. Because they can compress their collar bones, mice can pass through an opening the size of a dime. 

While you're obtaining the trap, try and unfettered apple slice to see if the mouse takes it. 

Once you have a successful bait identified and a trap unfamiliar to the mouse, you need to train the mouse to the trap. If it becomes scared of the trap without being caught, you're back to square one. 

Put the successful bait near the new trap, but not in it. Next, fix the trap in a set position, but rigged so it doesn't trip. Put the successful bait inside until the mouse is accustomed to taking bait from the trap. Then set and bait the trap to catch the mouse. 

If it's a live trap, I suggest you offer your survivor friend a second chance outdoors. But, if you want to put it down, you can do so with dry ice and a plastic bag. 

Good luck!
Dan


Dan Blunk
Formerly
Env Progs
UCSC

On May 14, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU> wrote:

Veh es mir.  Still nothing except the information that jam won't do it.  But tomorrow night will be the BIG test.  I've made a list of all the ideas for attracting the mice to the many traps and every idea will be represented.  Some traps will have multiple types of attractants.  We better not have to get up in the night or we are likely to lose toes.

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

 


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Sent: Mon, May 14, 2018 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?

I certainly hope, for the sake of New York, (indeed, the rest of the world!) that this super mouse does not pass on her insane biochemistry to her progeny.  Oy ve!
 
Mark Ellison  
 
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
 
Thanks, but I own two types of those bucket spinners and this mouse isn't at all interested.  I could try the jam.  Haven't use that.  And using peanut butter is a guarantee that the mouse won't go near the thing.    
 
 
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

 
 
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To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Sun, May 13, 2018 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
Google bucket mouse traps.  Peanut butter and oatmeal are my staple for regular traps. For the bucket trap you could try jam or honey on the bucket roller. 
 
Good luck Jeff 
On Sun, May 13, 2018, 3:25 PM ILPI Support <info**At_Symbol_Here**ilpi.com> wrote:
No experience with it, but I saw this the other day while I was at Home Depot: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tomcat-Mouse-Attractant-Gel-BL33901/205566250
 
Reviews are mixed, but contain lots of advice about different kinds of cheeses- Also read the reviews from other sites.
 
Hey, it even has an SDS (which says it is not hazardous-which means it does not need an SDS-but they filled out all the info anyway just because).
 
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On May 13, 2018, at 1:20 PM, DCHAS Membership Chair <membership**At_Symbol_Here**DCHAS.ORG> wrote:
 
From: Monona Rossol <actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com>
Re; mouse bait anyone?

please post new cry for help

I love my apartment.  I've lived here since 1969.  Every fall, for almost 50 years, a few mice come in, we poison and trap them, and in less than a week we are back to normal.  I moved to NYC from living in my farm house/studio in Wisconsin where the procedure was, and still is, the same.  The mice come in when its fall, you do them all in, and settle down for the winter.

Well, that's not what happened last year. We killed a few, but not one particular mouse.

We are in a six-floor walk-up and this is one of the mice that run on the moldings on the outside of NYC buildings and come in over the sills of open windows (I see them come in each year).  The mouse is still here this spring because it lives on D-Con (eats a ~1/4 cube per day), Just-One-Bite (eats about a teaspoon full per night off those big yellow poison bars), the roots of my plants, and a couple of bird seeds that I miss when I clean up the feeder every night. Our apartment is festooned with bait traps, snap traps, electronic traps, and sticky traps.  

I even tried a few home made concoctions.  But the mouse associates peanut butter and cheese with snap traps, and won't go near any concoctions.  She prefers the commercial poisons.  Sometimes she eats so much poison that her little poopies are bright D-Con green.

I KNOW it's a SHE because, in these miserable 8 months, she has TWICE raised a litter to the point that they can leave where ever she is nesting.  The wee mice tear up the whole house for a day and all die from the poisons or in the traps.  If one of her offspring inherits both the poison immunity and her smarts, we are going to be in BIG trouble.

The building's regular licensed exterminator only offers snap traps and D-Con.  And I can't do integrated pest management in a 150 year old tenement whose walls and floors leak like sieves. Without open windows we'd have no fresh air.  Some of my plants have lived with us 30 years and I'm not getting rid of them (although I forgot to move one of the plants into the bathtub last night and she ate so much of the roots it will probably die).  And I clean up the bird seed from the feeder every night but I'm not giving up birds.

I'm just not giving up 50-year, happy, fulfilling life style for one damn mouse.  Instead: I NEED SOMETHING THAT WORKS.   I am willing to entertain just about any ideas.


Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062
actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com   www.artscraftstheatersafety.org

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