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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Liquid nitrogen leak at Georgia poultry plant kills 6

Date: Jan 29, 2021 21:56 UTC

Author: Eugene Ngai <eugene_ngai**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Liquid nitrogen leak at Georgia poultry plant kills 6

Date: Jan 29, 2021 23:19 UTC

Author: Russell Vernon <russellnvernon**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com>

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From: Richard Rosera <richardrosera**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Liquid nitrogen leak at Georgia poultry plant kills 6

Date: Jan 29, 2021 23:15 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety

In-Reply-To: Re: [DCHAS-L] Liquid nitrogen leak at Georgia poultry plant kills 6

Demystify: 

I would be most interested in learning the details of how the liquid N2 line was ruptured, what the design of the system was, and the like.  The CSB is deploying to the site, so there will likely be some illumination on these points, as well as appropriate recommendations.

Remember the old Terminator movie (T2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grzObtNOIX0), where the "advanced model T1000" Terminator is temporarily frozen & shot to pieces when a tank truck of liquid N2 ruptures?  When I first saw it, I remember thinking, "neat effect, but every human in the vicinity would be dead!"

Richard Rosera
Rosearray EHS Services LLC
1958 Northgate Drive
Manteca, CA 95336
Mobile:  908-279-4463

On Jan 28, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Alan Hall <oldeddoc**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Et al,

N2 is a simple asphyxiant, displacing oxygen from the breathing atmosphere until it is insufficient to sustain life.

What ameorfatoration might be possible?  The lieky 10 minutes to evacuate might be obtaqned with the old Air Force 10-minute O2 bottle, but would not be very cost effective and unlikely to be supplies to workers nor would the required training likely be done.

  There should be some efficacious engineering controls supplying if nothing else, fresh air ingress, exhaust ventilation, and perhaps the kind of smoke masks with ambient air the Air Force used to have for transport pilots (worn one myself)..

Might not be cost effective, but what's a human life worth?  Especially if it's yours.

Engineering controls would be the best answer, and a rapid escape route to fresh air with appropriate training might be an effective administrative control.
 trained rescuers with appropriate PPE (supplied air  level Bor with SCBA woulld seem reasonable)..  Still not better than prevention.  If it doesn't happen, nobody needs to respond to it.
Tchey response is necessary.prior coordination with local HAZMAT responder would be highly advisable.
and 
These are some suggeions only..

PREVENTION IS ALWATS YBETTER THAN RESPONSE!

Alan
Alan H. Hall, M.D.
Medical Toxicologist
Major, USAFR, MC, FS (Hon. Ret.)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 5:21 PM Reinhardt, Peter <peter.reinhardt**At_Symbol_Here**yale.edu> wrote:

How much does an oxygen sensor/alarm cost? -- Pete

 

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