From: Kim Jeskie <jeskiekb**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] RAMP and Risk Assessment in the Laboratory
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 05:16:46 -0500
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
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I'm just adding a comment to Harry's notes, which I agree with entirely.


I have several programs accredited to the 17020 and 17025, so I know the emphasis they moved to in all of their 17000 series (and beyond) during the last major revisions. Keep in mind that the other thing they did was publish their own Risk Management Framework Standard (ISO 31000:2018), which also addresses institutional risk. So in my opinion, part of the reason they did what they did was to both address a gap in their standards base and to emphasize the importance of an integrated risk assessment methodology.


If you are looking at cyber related risks, you may also want to look at the NIST 800 series standards.





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From: Harry J. Elston
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:33 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] RAMP and Risk Assessment in the Laboratory



RAMP is a framework for a risk assessment methodology.  There are others, including taking PSM and associated risk assessment methods (e.g. What-If, What-if/Checklist, FMEA and HAZOP) and shrinking them down to lab-sized.  None of those methodologies are specific to the academy or to industry.  


ACS has no official policy on RAMP or any other methodology.  It's frequently mentioned here because:

(1) it was developed by two, now-retired but still active CHAS and CCS members (Bob Hill and David Finster) who saw a huge gap in chemical education and;

(2) It's easy to understand and apply. 




On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 5:58 PM Richard Van Doren <RVandoren**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:

Our environmental analytical laboratory has recently undergone several audits during which the topic of Risk Assessment has been discussed. We are following the guidance of our accreditation programs: AIHA LAP and/or State ELAP programs. States that accredit laboratories follow The NELAC Institute (TNI) 2009 or 2016 standard that has been adopted by their State legislatures. AIHA LAP follows the ISO/IEC 17025:2017 Standard.


Within each of these standards is language that addresses the risks to analytical laboratories.


Besides the laboratory safety aspect of risk assessment, there is the business side of the house. Are there any members of DCHAS that have come across this topic within their own commercial analytical laboratories?


How does ACS policy on RAMP used outside the academia?


Your advice would be greatly appreciated.




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