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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] More than one-third of graduate students report being depressed

Date: Mar 27, 2018 13:53 UTC

Author: Wayne Wood <wayne.wood**At_Symbol_Here**MCGILL.CA>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] More than one-third of graduate students report being depressed

Date: Mar 27, 2018 14:36 UTC

Author: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

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From: Margaret Rakas <mrakas**At_Symbol_Here**SMITH.EDU>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] More than one-third of graduate students report being depressed

Date: Mar 27, 2018 14:05 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety

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Demystify: 

Sorry but I don't think Ph.D. depression in the sciences/engineering has much to do with paying for their education, since the vast majority in the US get tuition waivers and a stipend that generally now is fairly reasonable, esp if their health insurance is included as part of the package. I would assume in many other countries there is a similar level of support due to the fact that undergraduate education (not living expenses) is generally a public cost.

It is the constant stress of trying to get your project to work, hitting one dead end after another, and having to 'compete' for your advisor's attention that I would think is causing a lot of the problems. Plus, the young people your age who went to work with their bachelor's degrees in science or engineering are having a lot more fun (or it looks that way); this is also the time when relationships get serious (or not) for many of these students. And then there is the time spent studying to pass qualifying exams....what ISN'T there to be anxious about, really?

Once/if your personal life settles down and your project starts to take off--because really it does--life becomes a lot more bearable--again, I'm only talking physical sciences and engineering here. I hope this researcher gathered data across the spectrum--new students, students who had been in grad school 1-2 years, and then the 3-5 (0r 4-6) year students. I'll read the article once I have time to log in through my college's library services....

I do think that there needs to be more acceptance and even promotion of college mental health services; a number of the women who attended grad school in my department went to counseling (me, too) but the men were really stay-aways. This was in the 1980's--maybe it's changed, I sure hope so.

Just my personal experience. I'd go to grad school again but I think I'd warn anyone thinking of it that it's the first few years that are the toughest, mentally...and also, to seek out a therapist when you first started to feel bad, not to wait...

Margaret


On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists..princeton.edu> wrote:
Well, then mobilize for free or low cost advanced education. Anyone paying what you need to pay to get an education now who is NOT depressed doesn't have a good grip on reality.

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Wood <wayne.wood**At_Symbol_Here**MCGILL.CA>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] More than one-third of graduate students report being depressed

Our mental health experts are calling this situation in universities an epidemic. We need to mobilize.
W.
Wayne Wood | Director, Environmental Health and Safety - Directeur, Sante´, securite´ et environnement| McGill University | 3610 rue McTavish Street, 4th floor | Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H3A 1Y2 | Tel: (514) 398-2391
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Ralph Stuart
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:10 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] More than one-third of graduate students report being depressed
Here is an article from Nature that academic lab safety staff may want to consider as they review the last article from the NIOSH Blog, particularly in light of the LA Times article "In ruling for victim in UCLA attack, California Supreme Court says universities should protect students" at

- Ralph

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-03803-3?utm_source=twt_nnc&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=naturenews&sf185486493=1