Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] Letter to the National PTA regarding the rainbow flame demo
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That is dead right. As long as our educational institutions fail to educate its students in safety, they are one of the root causes of these incidents.  Bob Hill 
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From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU> 
Date: 10/2/19  10:55 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] Letter to the National PTA regarding the rainbow flame demo 
 
And I'm waiting for the lawsuit that will be filed one day by an untrained teacher against the school she graduated from who handed her a piece of paper that implied she was ready to teach when she had received not one minute of safety or OSHA training.  That's one I'll do pro bono.
Monona
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From: Samuella Sigmann <sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**APPSTATE.EDU>
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] Letter to the National PTA regarding the rainbow flame demo
  
    
  
  
    On 10/2/2019 9:11 AM, Monona Rossol wrote:
    And this
      is in part why the major hit in the $60 million award in the
      Beacon High School case went against the school.  The Jury got
      it.  They understood that there actually were two victims in that
      courtroom, the injured student and the untrained teacher.
    
    Yep. Most of my testimony in the Beacon case was about best
    practices not being met. There was some line of questioning around
    the school not needing to adhere to NY Science Safety Manual because
    they were too elite. The defense lawyer asked me, "Shouldn't the
    school be able to assume that when they hired a trained chemistry
    teacher that they were trained in safety?"  I said, "Absolutely not.
    I don't assume that when new PhD chemists are hired in our
    department. I still meet with them and discuss our expectations and
    do what I can do to make sure they are trained in safety." I said in
    court that, "Everyone is accountable to some standard."  I am not
    sure that I mentioned anything about OSHA - but I did speak to
    accountability.  
    
    The principal admitted on the stand a few days later that she made a
    mistake by not making sure the teacher was trained or otherwise
    knowledgeable by education. 
    
    I have laid out the warnings, papers, standards and events on a
    timeline and, even though it is not much of a defense, it is
    becoming increasingly difficult to say moving forward for a teacher
    to say, "I didn't know".  The case in April may not have been upheld
    Federally, but I seem to remember when that one first posted there
    was something about the fact that it should not have been in the
    Federal system.  
    
    Most importantly, educators should realize that they are accountable
    to their students and they had better start to ensure that they are
    using best safety practices in class. 
    
    Sammye
    
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            B. Sigmann, MS, NRCC-CHO
        
        
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            Lecturer/Safety Committee Chair/Director of Stockroom
        
Chemistry
        
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