I'm pretty sure that folks who habitually wear hats are accustomed to
dealing with any associated drawbacks.

Dave Lane
Principal
Clavis technology Development

On 8/31/22 8:19 AM, Kirk Hunter wrote:
> I am reminded of this parody verse from "The Streets of Laredo."
>
> Sing along!
>
> I see by your outfit that you are a cowboy;
> I see by your outfit you are a cowboy, too;
> We see by our outfits that we are both cowboys.
> If you get an outfit, you can be a cowboy, too.
>
> Kirk Hunter
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:14 AM Monona Rossol <
> 0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:
>
>> By their brims ye shall judge them. Monona
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Hats in lab
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>> You can actually buy a Vulcan® Cowboy Style Hard Hat
>> <https://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/products.php?mi=82011&itemnum=24253>;.
>> I second having a private conversation with the student...but it does beg
>> the question if you ask that student to remove their cowboy hat should you
>> ask anyone wearing a trucker's/baseball style cap to remove it as
>> well....and when does a hat get "too big?" Presumably you don't want
>> people wearing sombreros in the lab?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:30 AM Shawn Helmueller <schelmueller**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Another approach if it’s determined that the safety risk is low relative
>> to other common headdress is this, no one in industry is going to tell the
>> CEO or CSO they can’t wear a cowboy hat in their own lab. As long as he’s
>> on pace for exceptional performance in the class maybe the hat can stay??
>>
>> I’m quibbling a bit, lab safety is paramount and your lab conditions may
>> be unique. But students can respond well to low risk challenges like this,
>> and it could serve as a valuable authentic experience he remembers long
>> after leaving your class.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shawn Helmueller
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 8:58 AM Gilman, Lisa <
>> 00001730fb194cb8-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nora:
>>
>> I agree with Richard. Peripheral vision is not likely to be blocked by a
>> cowboy hat. Laboratory work with Hard Hats/Full Face shields/Baseball caps
>> have never been an issue in our laboratory here in Montana. If students are
>> in such close proximity that the hat is an issue, in my opinion, you have a
>> class density that is more of a safety concern and much more important to
>> address than a cowboy hat.
>>
>> I would simply ask the student in a private conversation to remove his hat
>> during the laboratory class. Keep it simple. Your concern about knocking
>> over glassware or reagents is an appropriate reason if he asks for one.
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:35 AM Richard Palluzi <
>> 000006c59248530b-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hats, mostly baseball caps or knit caps, are very common in industry in my
>> experience. Hard hats are also very common in plant labs both for visitors
>> and often for folks who are in and about a lot. Cowboy hats are pretty
>> rare. I have never heard of an accident.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2022 2:09 PM, Nora Dunkel <noradunkel51**At_Symbol_Here**WEBSTER.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have guidance on wearing hats in lab? An instructor for
>> sophomore organic chemistry at my institution reports that a student has
>> repeatedly come to lab wearing a cowboy hat. The student is otherwise
>> appropriately dressed, but we wonder about visibility (will the student's
>> peripheral vision be obstructed?), whether people might bump into the hat,
>> and whether the hat might knock over glassware. (It's a pretty crowded
>> room when everybody is setting up their apparatus.)
>>
>> Is this something others have encountered? Are hats in lab acceptable
>> from a safety perspective?
>>
>> Nora Dunkel, CHMM
>> Chemical Safety Officer--Webster University
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