Yet, for a sophomore, a laboratory is likely to be an unaccustomed environment.
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I'm pretty sure that folks who habitually wear hats are accustomed to dealing with any associated drawbacks.
Dave Lane
Principal
Clavis technology Development
On 8/31/22 8:19 AM, Kirk Hunter wrote:
> I am reminded of this parody verse from "The Streets of Laredo."
>
> Sing along!
>
> I see by your outfit that you are a cowboy; I see by your outfit you
> are a cowboy, too; We see by our outfits that we are both cowboys.
> If you get an outfit, you can be a cowboy, too.
>
> Kirk Hunter
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:14 AM Monona Rossol <
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>> By their brims ye shall judge them. Monona
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>> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Hats in lab
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>> You can actually buy a Vulcan® Cowboy Style Hard Hat
>> <https://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/products.php?mi=82011&itemnum=24253>;.
>> I second having a private conversation with the student...but it does
>> beg the question if you ask that student to remove their cowboy hat
>> should you ask anyone wearing a trucker's/baseball style cap to
>> remove it as well....and when does a hat get "too big?" Presumably
>> you don't want people wearing sombreros in the lab?
>>
>> Jeff
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:30 AM Shawn Helmueller
>> <schelmueller**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Another approach if it’s determined that the safety risk is low
>> relative to other common headdress is this, no one in industry is
>> going to tell the CEO or CSO they can’t wear a cowboy hat in their
>> own lab. As long as he’s on pace for exceptional performance in the class maybe the hat can stay??
>>
>> I’m quibbling a bit, lab safety is paramount and your lab conditions
>> may be unique. But students can respond well to low risk challenges
>> like this, and it could serve as a valuable authentic experience he
>> remembers long after leaving your class.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shawn Helmueller
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 8:58 AM Gilman, Lisa <
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>> Hi Nora:
>>
>> I agree with Richard. Peripheral vision is not likely to be blocked
>> by a cowboy hat. Laboratory work with Hard Hats/Full Face
>> shields/Baseball caps have never been an issue in our laboratory here
>> in Montana. If students are in such close proximity that the hat is
>> an issue, in my opinion, you have a class density that is more of a
>> safety concern and much more important to address than a cowboy hat.
>>
>> I would simply ask the student in a private conversation to remove
>> his hat during the laboratory class. Keep it simple. Your concern
>> about knocking over glassware or reagents is an appropriate reason if he asks for one.
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:35 AM Richard Palluzi <
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>> Hats, mostly baseball caps or knit caps, are very common in industry
>> in my experience. Hard hats are also very common in plant labs both
>> for visitors and often for folks who are in and about a lot. Cowboy
>> hats are pretty rare. I have never heard of an accident.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2022 2:09 PM, Nora Dunkel <noradunkel51**At_Symbol_Here**WEBSTER.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have guidance on wearing hats in lab? An instructor for
>> sophomore organic chemistry at my institution reports that a student
>> has repeatedly come to lab wearing a cowboy hat. The student is
>> otherwise appropriately dressed, but we wonder about visibility (will
>> the student's peripheral vision be obstructed?), whether people might
>> bump into the hat, and whether the hat might knock over glassware.
>> (It's a pretty crowded room when everybody is setting up their
>> apparatus.)
>>
>> Is this something others have encountered? Are hats in lab
>> acceptable from a safety perspective?
>>
>> Nora Dunkel, CHMM
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