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Subject: [DCHAS-L] EPA Finds Methylene Chloride Poses an Unreasonable Risk to Human Health
Date: Nov 10, 2022 15:58 UTC
Author: CHAS membership <membership**At_Symbol_Here**DCHAS.ORG>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] EPA Finds Methylene Chloride Poses an Unreasonable Risk to Human Health
Date: Nov 10, 2022 16:48 UTC
Author: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>
From: Paul Burnett <pburnett**At_Symbol_Here**GARLIC.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [Safety3] [NAOSMM] Re: [DCHAS-L] How to Use a Fire Blanket – 9 Simple Steps
Date: Nov 10, 2022 16:19 UTC
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On Nov 10, 2022, at 7:16 AM, Lowell Kellogg <kelloggl**At_Symbol_Here**matc.edu> wrote:
Our college's insurance provider has recommended that we get rid of the fire blankets due to inadequate training (chimney effect) but more so due to the fact that many fire blankets contain asbestos. Without dates of manufacture on the blankets, it's difficult to determine whether the blankets contain asbestos or not.LowellOn Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:02 PM James Kaufman <jkaufman**At_Symbol_Here**labsafetyinstitute.org> wrote:Don't get rid of your fire blanket. Just don't wrap yourself in to put out the fire. And, change the directions on those older, long, vertical, fire blanket cabinets that instructed you to do just that.As mentioned ... the chimney effect. In addition, it traps the heat and increases the chance of greater burns.Fire blankets can be used for ...1. A temporary stretcher2. Keeping warm and covering up after using the safety shower3. Someone else using it on you while you are doing stop, drop, and roll4. Keeping warm to prevent shock5. A pillow6. A temporary modesty curtain for the safety shower with two colleagues holding the ends7. The department picnic ... Jim
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:36 PM <pzavon**At_Symbol_Here**rochester.rr.com> wrote:--- For more information about the DCHAS-L e-mail list, contact the Divisional membership chair at membership**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org Follow us on Twitter @acsdchasIf your clothing is on fire and you are wrapped in a blanket while standing, you are likely to become a chimney drawing air in at the bottom and pushing the fire higher on the body.
In response to Ralph’s observations, I would note that the article is clear in several places that it is recommending actions be done by “trained people” so this is not about use by the untrained. Of course, it also ignores the problem of applying a9-step process in the midst of a crisis
And I would agree with Richard’s observation that most organizations have removed fire blankets entirely, generally in favor of “stop, drop, and roll” as easier to communicate to the otherwise untrained, and rather effective and also avoiding the chimney problem.
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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Jessica Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 1:41 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] How to Use a Fire Blanket – 9 Simple Steps
Hm. When attempting to use a fire blanket to put out a fire on a person, I was instructed to have them “stop, drop, and roll” first, then to try to smother the fire with the blanket. I seem to recall that if you try to wrap a person in a fire blanket while they are standing (and on fire) that this actually causes other scarier problems. This is sort of a fuzzy memory now from a conversation had years ago with someone from a fire department, so I welcome folks to either fill in the blanks or correct it.
Best,
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On Nov 9, 2022, at 12:54 PM, CHAS membership <membership**At_Symbol_Here**DCHAS.ORG> wrote:
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In follow up to last week’s discussion about use of fire extinguishers in labs, this article caught my eye:
How to Use a Fire Blanket – 9 Simple Steps
at https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffirefightergarage.com%2Fhow-to-use-a-fire-blanket%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C5a632c9d2d8c4e58931908dac27bcaa9%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C638036134181522702%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5XUvmvq0Ox%2B7FCTrc2Xt9uCTi5vIBYN9SZLxR216COk%3D&reserved=0
No matter how simple the steps, I’m not sure that a nine step process is reliable for people who are doing it for the first time...
- Ralph
Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
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